jet boating the tatsenshini

[bloody bellies]

Anyone know if it is legal, relay cant find anything on it

thx

[bighornbob]

No it's not.

[limit time]

No it's not.
How do you know this ? Do you have a link ?

[klondiker]

Well I know you can on the Yukon side because I've done it before when salmon fishing. There are also fishing guide services that offer jet boating excursions on the Yukon side. On the BC side, I'm not sure and it all depends on how far you want to travel down the Tat and where you put in at because there are some rapids that you wouldn't be able to navigate

[elknut]

Don't know if it is legal...Its a Provincial Park..I know you need permission to fly into it ...that takes awhile to get ..A CO friend wanted to go sheep hunting years ago cause he got an LEH for him and a partner ..There trip got scuttled because he couldn't fly in ..I think now they have solved this ..Also you can't just raft down the TAT because they give out only a limited amount of passes and you're in competetion with lots of Yuppies..That's my info on it but who knows things might of changed ...Dennis

[outahand]

class a provincial park no power boat access period

[bloody bellies]

Well I know you can on the Yukon side because I've done it before when salmon fishing. There are also fishing guide services that offer jet boating excursions on the Yukon side. On the BC side, I'm not sure and it all depends on how far you want to travel down the Tat and where you put in at because there are some rapids that you wouldn't be able to navigate

I agree with klondiker, because on the Yukon side the national park boundary does not go all the way to the tat. there is an area by Dalton post which is not national park. Is there rapids from Dalton down to aprox where Squaw creek is? Who was the guide you went with?

[ryanb]

I think the outfitter on the bc side was grandfathered when they created the park, so technically it is legal, but ONLY for them...

[Stone Sheep Steve]

I think the outfitter on the bc side was grandfathered when they created the park, so technically it is legal, but ONLY for them...

This........

[bloody bellies]

I think the outfitter on the bc side was grandfathered when they created the park, so technically it is legal, but ONLY for them...

Who's the outfitter, didn't think anyone had the concession there, the concession map does not even show that region.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Who's the outfitter, didn't think anyone had the concession there, the concession map does not even show that region.

Jack Goodwin
http://bcbiggamehunting.com/

[REMINGTON JIM]

I think the outfitter on the bc side was grandfathered when they created the park, so technically it is legal, but ONLY for them...

That would be Bull Shit if its TRUE :mad: RJ

[yama49]

That would be Bull Shit if its TRUE :mad: RJ

Its true, has been brought up here before.

[Barracuda]

wouldn't it be covered by this https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/programs-632.html

the navigable waters protection act should allow use of it unless specified otherwise.

[klondiker]

I agree with klondiker, because on the Yukon side the national park boundary does not go all the way to the tat. there is an area by Dalton post which is not national park. Is there rapids from Dalton down to aprox where Squaw creek is? Who was the guide you went with?

The fishing guide I went with was Dalton Trail Lodge, on the Yukon side of the Tat

[tangozulu]

Seems to me some Provincial park wardens once tried to limit boat access in Atlin
Provincial park but federal navigatble watrs act trumped them.

[bloody bellies]

it's true, contacted Smithers parks branch, only guides and outfitters can apply for jet boat permit use on the tat. Not sure what the rime or reason behind that is,

[butcher]

It's to limit access. Same reason it's near impossible to get a landing permit for a wheel plane.

[bloody bellies]

It's to limit access. Same reason it's near impossible to get a landing permit for a wheel plane.

I understand its to limit access, if it's going to be limited access then limit everyone the same, if permits are going to be issued then issue them fairly to everyone. Typical governmental politics, and people wonder why laws are broken,

[butcher]

I agree that it should be the same for all. But it ain't so I'm gonna walk.

[trebreklaw]

Provincial Park Authorities do not have the right to specify who can use the water .Under federal navigable waters regulations they can apply to close a waterway to power boats, or horsepower , or speed restrictions etc. If they are successful in getting a power boat restriction its all powerboats including their own and any commercial operators.
Its a fairly detailed process that requires opportunity for public and other inputs and must be adequately advertised.

Provincial Parks are high handed in several waterway restrictions but to my knowledge have not been tested in court.

However federal waterways such as Malign lake can be designated as anything they want to allow. Hence commercial but no private.

[albravo2]

I can't really understand why they make some of these remote areas impossible to visit. That part of the world will always be remote and will NEVER be overrun by visitors. What is the problem?

I would compare it to the Tuchodi area. Definitely a remote place. The river and lakes get a fair bit of 'pressure' from jet boats and float planes but it sure as hell isn't overwhelming. Anybody that thinks it is too busy to hunt should head to Pemberton during deer season.

Is a place any less wild because it sees a couple dozen jet boats or float planes in a year? I don't think so.

[Bison Fats]

Actually the Tat isn't impossible to visit and thank God it became a Park otherwise it would be overrun with visitors and Industry. At its height it was receiving over 13,000 user nights per year and I'm sorry all bravado2 it absolutely required control and management. It is still considered one of the top 5 river trip destinations in the world.

Last year we applied for our permit Jan and paddled it in July. Didn't see a soul the entire 10 days. (third trip)

As far as jetboating goes.... not allowed but if it were it would be entertaining. Day one in the canyon has a pretty good stretch of class 3 in low water class 4 high water. One particular corner has a 90 degree turn. Due to size and water temp class 6 consequences.

Why not raft it and fly out before the US border?

[325 wsm]

Spent 8 years raft guiding the Tat with Tatshenshini expediting. Jet boats are generally only used in the Dalton post area. The lower canyon starts a few ks below here and is a real life taker even for experienced rafters. Above this you could access maybe 10 ks with a jet with proper experience. The mining road crossing at Dalton post takes you back into Squaw creek and below the lower canyon where river access can be attained. Rough road and river is to unpredictable to drive normal 4x4 across. Tatshenshini expediting can shuttle 4wheelers across in their rafts...this is their take out point for day trips.Check out their website to gather info on and look at pics of the area.

[bloody bellies]

Spent 8 years raft guiding the Tat with Tatshenshini expediting. Jet boats are generally only used in the Dalton post area. The lower canyon starts a few ks below here and is a real life taker even for experienced rafters. Above this you could access maybe 10 ks with a jet with proper experience. The mining road crossing at Dalton post takes you back into Squaw creek and below the lower canyon where river access can be attained. Rough road and river is to unpredictable to drive normal 4x4 across. Tatshenshini expediting can shuttle 4wheelers across in their rafts...this is their take out point for day trips.Check out their website to gather info on and look at pics of the area.

325, this is exactly what I want to do, see if Tat expediting can take a side by side across at Dalton, then we can get back to Squaw Creek on the old mining road, Ive seen trucks cross the river a Dalton on that road, but they were lifted a bit, if not then we are either flying in or hiking a lot.